GIVER: right , well the start is . FOLLOWER: right , i know the start it's marked ... down here . GIVER: ah is it the same ? FOLLOWER: mmhmm ... right , the diamond mine ? GIVER: mmhmm . FOLLOWER: right . GIVER: so ... you're ... going ... vertically downwards ... ... about . FOLLOWER: well , where are we going to first ? GIVER: eh ? FOLLOWER: where are we going ? GIVER: where are we finishing ? FOLLOWER: no , where ... where have we to go by , i mean is have you got ... have you got a walled city ? GIVER: uh-huh , a walk city ? FOLLOWER: a walled city . GIVER: yes , but it's ... further down the page . FOLLOWER: ehm have you got a desert ... have you got a desert on the right-hand side ? GIVER: uh-huh , there's a desert . FOLLOWER: the left-hand side i mean ? GIVER: on the ... left-hand side uh-huh . FOLLOWER: uh-huh , underneath the diamond mine ? GIVER: underneath , to the left . FOLLOWER: uh-huh , so do you go by a desert ? GIVER: no . FOLLOWER: like , which side do you go round ? GIVER: you're going ... vertically downwards ... ... past ... the diamond mine . FOLLOWER: straight down ? GIVER: you know just c-- you're curving just curving round the diamond . FOLLOWER: uh-huh , uh-huh , curve round ? GIVER: mine ... ... uh-huh . FOLLOWER: to your right ? GIVER: uh-huh . FOLLOWER: right ... right underneath the diamond mine , where do i stop ? GIVER: well ... ... do , have you got a graveyard sort of in the middle of the page ... on a level to the c-- ... er diamond mine ? FOLLOWER: no , i've got a fast running creek . GIVER: a fast flowing river ... eh ? FOLLOWER: no , where's that , mmhmm ... eh , canoes ? GIVER: where is that ? FOLLOWER: eh ... the fast running creek is at the top ... right-hand side of the page beside diamond mine , no ? GIVER: the diamond mine ... is that on the right-hand side of your page ? FOLLOWER: it's the left-hand side . GIVER: ah , the fast flowing river is ... at the top ? FOLLOWER: right . GIVER: right that's i've got that . FOLLOWER: underneath that's canoes , no , have you got an apache camp ? GIVER: ehm ... i've got uh-huh , carved wooden pole . FOLLOWER: yeah , no i don't have that . GIVER: er that's the s-- that's the ... apache camp , ss . FOLLOWER: right ... ... so w-- anyway so at the diamond mine right ? GIVER: mmhmm . FOLLOWER: and i have ... to curve underneath ? GIVER: curve underneath . FOLLOWER: start go down come underneath the diamond mine ? GIVER: have you got ... s-- ... see between the fast flowing river ... and ... the diamond mine have you got anything ? FOLLOWER: nope . GIVER: right so . FOLLOWER: got canoes . GIVER: i've got a graveyard there . FOLLOWER: right i see , whereabouts is that ? GIVER: eh ... really just right in the middle of the two ... the fast flowing mine ... fast flowing river and the diamond mine . FOLLOWER: s-- ... right , so ... where've i to go ... have i to go round that graveyard or something ? GIVER: uh-huh , you've to miss the graveyard ... so ... ... if you , right you've curved round right ? FOLLOWER: i've ... g-- right i mean that i i'm still at diamond mine so i'm not sure where to go . GIVER: mmhmm , so , if you go o-- , well ... just ... start ... slightly going up ... the way . FOLLOWER: mmhmm , to the fast running creek ? GIVER: and ... right , imagine there's a ... graveyard , right ? FOLLOWER: mmhmm . GIVER: right , just in the centre of the diamond mine . FOLLOWER: uh-huh . GIVER: and the fast flowing river ... just imagine that , right ? FOLLOWER: uh-huh . GIVER: and you j-- you're going round that ... you're going round the graveyard . FOLLOWER: like ... as above it ? GIVER: no , below it . FOLLOWER: right , so just slightly below it then ? GIVER: mmhmm . FOLLOWER: to where ? GIVER: so you're sort of curving round to the graveyard . FOLLOWER: uh-huh , right okay , right . GIVER: right . FOLLOWER: right , so we're going slightly up ? GIVER: you're going round the graveyard , uh-huh . FOLLOWER: but i can't imagine where the graveyard is right . GIVER: i know you don't , right , it's just , just imagine it's the same size as the diamond mine and the fast flowing river i-- ... right ... but it's parked in the middle . FOLLOWER: right ... ... right okay , so where are we now ? GIVER: so , if ... ... mmhmm . FOLLOWER: so i've to go round , but where am i going after that , i've got to know where i'm going this is it . GIVER: you've to ... you're going round the top of the fast flowing river after you've avoided the graveyard . FOLLOWER: right , and i curve right round the fast flowing river then ? GIVER: uh-huh ... mmhmm . FOLLOWER: where to ? GIVER: well ... ... right , you go round , then . FOLLOWER: have you got canoes ? GIVER: no . FOLLOWER: have you got apache camp ? GIVER: oh uh-huh ... i've got an apache camp , it's ... maybe . FOLLOWER: see where you see where fast running creek is and the apache camp ? GIVER: mmhmm . FOLLOWER: bang splat in the middle of that ... right i've got canoes , right ? GIVER: i don't . FOLLOWER: right so , have you got oh you've got you know i've got to go round that so . GIVER: uh-huh . FOLLOWER: so where are we ? GIVER: so if you ... ... right , in line with the fast flowing river ... ... if you come down maybe ... one and a half inches . FOLLOWER: mmhmm . GIVER: eh ... have you got a carved wooden pole ? FOLLOWER: yeah , but it's away down at the bottom of the page . GIVER: oh right , and where's your apache camp ? FOLLOWER: just ... before we're halfway down the page , do-- have you got flat rocks ? GIVER: mmhmm . FOLLOWER: right , it's just above that it's about a couple of inches but up above that . GIVER: yeah that's right , so ... if you ... like ... c-- ... curve round ... the . FOLLOWER: apache camp ? GIVER: no , don't curve round it j-- , just ... ... you're ... going ... m-- forty-five degree ... angle ... eh ... towards ... the bottom ... eh left of the page ... you're going that way you know . FOLLOWER: towards the walled city ? GIVER: uh-huh . FOLLOWER: right , so i'm going round ? GIVER: and you're going round the outside of the walled city . FOLLOWER: on what s-- on what side ? GIVER: you're going ... ... round the top of the walled city and round ... the left of it ... ... on the left-hand side . FOLLOWER: so , and that's at an angle of forty-five degrees ? GIVER: no . FOLLOWER: right i see right , so ... from the walled city to where i am just there it's at a forty-five degree angle ... to where i just wa-- came from ? GIVER: no . FOLLOWER: right see where the fast running creek is right ? GIVER: yes . FOLLOWER: i've just come down ... a couple of inches . GIVER: you've come down about one and a half inches ? FOLLOWER: uh-huh . GIVER: right so , if you do it ... then do ... a forty-five degree ... line ... for ... maybe about ... three inches 'til ... you're probably in line with the top of the walled city . FOLLOWER: erm . GIVER: that height ... what you're ... you've to come down ... ... the middle of the page ... take the forty-five degree line down to the middle of the page , right ? FOLLOWER: so i should be around the middle of the page ? GIVER: no ... ... not ... the mi-- ... the centre ... no ... not . FOLLOWER: see where i am just now right , i've come ... i've come round the top of the fast running creek . GIVER: uh-huh . FOLLOWER: so i'm really i'd be about i'd be about an inch from the end of the page . GIVER: that's right . FOLLOWER: and i'm going straight down from that so still i'm an inch away from the page ... the end of the page . GIVER: uh-huh , so now you've got to take it ... take your line ... ... to the left ... 'til you come into . FOLLOWER: towards the walled city ? GIVER: uh-huh . FOLLOWER: right so i'm above the walled city now and i've curved ... right round it . GIVER: yes , mmhmm . FOLLOWER: i'm just into the left so i'm down at the left-hand side of the page ... i'm just at the bottom of the walled city . GIVER: the walled city ... is ... just above the cen-- ... halfway up the page right ? FOLLOWER: uh-huh uh-huh uh-huh . GIVER: and you've ... you've just curved round that ? FOLLOWER: towards the left , uh-huh . GIVER: and how far is it away from ... the left-hand side of the page ? FOLLOWER: about ... two inches . GIVER: that's fine , so ... if you've ... i-- yeah you've curved round ? FOLLOWER: mmhmm . GIVER: right , are you in line with the bottom of the walled ... city ? FOLLOWER: bottom of it have i got to be in line with that ? GIVER: no . FOLLOWER: have i to cut ? GIVER: right , just ... take it down there so i can tell you how many more inches to go down . FOLLOWER: so i'm at bottom where the writing is of the walled city ... so i'm ... just ... just ... t-- in a straight line down there ... curve right round it 'til i'm there ? GIVER: uh-huh just there yeah , so ... uh-huh . FOLLOWER: and er am i going back to the right now ? GIVER: no , you're going straight down . FOLLOWER: i'm going straight down right . GIVER: in a slight curve ... ... you're taking it down maybe about ... to ... as far as ... a a third of the way up the page . FOLLOWER: mmhmm , i'm taking it down there ? GIVER: you're com-- , uh-huh . FOLLOWER: in a curve ? GIVER: just a ... very slight curve you know really just about vertically you're going down . FOLLOWER: mmhmm . GIVER: so ... right ? FOLLOWER: mmhmm , so , i'm at ghost town ? GIVER: now , no , oh i've got another carved wooden pole ... down the page as well . FOLLOWER: that's uh-huh that's where uh-huh , i can see that . GIVER: uh-huh , and ... the flat rocks i've ? FOLLOWER: ard-- . GIVER: in the middle of the page ? FOLLOWER: no , they're more like to the ... right-hand side . GIVER: ah ... ... halfway up i mean ? FOLLOWER: mmhmm , so see where i tell you've got a carved wooden pole and a walled city right ? GIVER: to the right ? FOLLOWER: see the carved wooden pole at the bottom of the page near ... where the three , can you see a fort ? GIVER: yes , at the v-- ? FOLLOWER: right , see above it that's the carved wooden pole . GIVER: uh-huh . FOLLOWER: and the ... right . GIVER: you should ... be about an inch and a half above that ... though ... shouldn't be down that far yet . FOLLOWER: that's what i mean uh-huh , but but see where the carved wooden pole is and you've got ... see between the walled city and the carved ... wooden pole ? GIVER: uh-huh . FOLLOWER: i've got a ghost town . GIVER: oh have you ? FOLLOWER: mmhmm . GIVER: i don't have anything . FOLLOWER: right well , so where am i going from walled city , i'm at the ghost town that's it ... ri-- ... right ... between the carved pole and the walled city i'm right in the middle of that . GIVER: right , well you should ... ... curve ... just ... you ... you'll have to go below the . FOLLOWER: ghost town ? GIVER: uh-huh . FOLLOWER: right i s-- aye . GIVER: right just curve round it . FOLLOWER: mmhmm . GIVER: and have you got a stone creek ? FOLLOWER: mmhmm . GIVER: where's that , is that ... about a third of the way u-- ... up the page ? FOLLOWER: uh-huh ... mmhmm , to like right-hand side . GIVER: right , well you're going above that . FOLLOWER: mmhmm . GIVER: and you're going up to where the flat rocks are you're just curving up . FOLLOWER: mmhmm . GIVER: you're avoiding the stone creek ... in ... but ... you're below the flat rocks just ... very close to the flat rocks . FOLLOWER: below the flat rocks ? GIVER: uh-huh . FOLLOWER: uh-huh , and i go underneath the flat rocks ? GIVER: so it's just like a ... c-- , uh-huh , it's like a curve . FOLLOWER: right . GIVER: and then , so if you take ... your line ... to ... the end of the flat rocks . FOLLOWER: uh-huh , there's saloon bar ? GIVER: then ... you're going , no . FOLLOWER: right okay , you got buffalo ? GIVER: mmhmm , that's down ... at the ... bottom right ? FOLLOWER: bottom pa-- , uh-huh bottom right uh-huh . GIVER: well , what you're doing is you're ... you should be about an in-- ... an inch off the end of the page . FOLLOWER: uh-huh i am just now . GIVER: the right . FOLLOWER: uh-huh . GIVER: so ... you're ... just ... it's a vertical line basically down ... ... eh . FOLLOWER: to the buffalo ? GIVER: round the b-- ... the buffalos , uh-huh . FOLLOWER: round the buffalos ? GIVER: uh-huh . FOLLOWER: what do you mean like ... right round ? GIVER: below the buffalo . FOLLOWER: uh-huh . GIVER: right ? FOLLOWER: uh-huh . GIVER: so ... have you got a cattle ranch ? FOLLOWER: to where , no . GIVER: have you got anyth-- ? FOLLOWER: i take it it's between the fort and the buffalo ? GIVER: have you got anything there ? FOLLOWER: no . GIVER: well , if you ... right you've ... curved round ... below the buffalo ? FOLLOWER: the buffalo , mmhmm . GIVER: if you just maybe ... imagine there's a ... cattle ranch there , right , just after the buffalo . FOLLOWER: right between the buffalo and the fort ? GIVER: between the fort uh-huh . FOLLOWER: mmhmm . GIVER: and it's ... more in line with the fort , right ? FOLLOWER: uh-huh . GIVER: so you know how you've curved round ? FOLLOWER: mmhmm . GIVER: where the buffalos are , you've you'll have to you know . FOLLOWER: curve round again ... sort of thing ? GIVER: do ... a bump . FOLLOWER: right i know where you are have to bump . GIVER: in your ... route . FOLLOWER: and you go round again ... to the fort ? GIVER: uh ... mmhmm . FOLLOWER: that's the end ? GIVER: bump in your route and then round to the fort , and the finish is ... ... above the fort ... maybe about an inch above the fort . FOLLOWER: so on what side on the left or right ? GIVER: on the left-hand side . FOLLOWER: on the left-hand side of the fort ? GIVER: mmhmm . FOLLOWER: so i've got to go right round the f-- ? GIVER: on the left-hand side ... ... you've . FOLLOWER: i've got to go right round the fort ? GIVER: uh-huh . FOLLOWER: right . GIVER: you know you've got to go below the fort . FOLLOWER: uh-huh , right round to about ... the is it near the carved wooden pole then the finish ? GIVER: yes , it's in line with the carved wooden pole ... except it's ... an inch from the . FOLLOWER: the fort ? GIVER: no , an inch from the left-hand side of the page . FOLLOWER: right uh-huh i'm there . GIVER: is that you ? FOLLOWER: i-- but is the finishing point at the fort ? GIVER: no , it's above . FOLLOWER: right above the fort och i've just got a general gist there . GIVER: 'bout an inch above the fort . FOLLOWER: right okay . GIVER: that's it . FOLLOWER: right.