GIVER:   have we just started ?
FOLLOWER:   yeah .
GIVER:   right , ehm ... right , you've got the start haven't you ?
FOLLOWER:   mmhmm .
GIVER:   above the caravan park ?
FOLLOWER:   above the caravan park yeah .
GIVER:   right , eh have you got something ... between the caravan park and the old mill have you got something in the ... bottom left-hand corner ?
FOLLOWER:   the bottom left-hand corner i've got i've got a picket fence .
GIVER:   right , see when you get start can you go round the picket fence , right , right round it and up ... over the old mill .
FOLLOWER:   wait minute ... the car-- the picket fence is at the bottom ... left-hand corner ?
GIVER:   mmhmm , but can you go .
FOLLOWER:   and the start is above the caravan park right ?
GIVER:   uh-huh , i just can you go down ... from the caravan park ... go down ... ... draw a line underneath the picket fence .
FOLLOWER:   so i'm going ... round the left of the caravan park ?
GIVER:   uh-huh ... sorry uh-huh .
FOLLOWER:   an-- ... to the very bottom of the page and round the p-- ?
GIVER:   to the botto-- un-- uh-huh .
FOLLOWER:   and round the picket fence ?
GIVER:   to the very bottom , round , then when you get ... get to the end of the picket fence go up straight up ... round pa-- .
FOLLOWER:   right .
GIVER:   see the old mill ?
FOLLOWER:   mmhmm .
GIVER:   go right up there , see the top par-- ... er ... left-hand corner the old mill , go ri-- you go you're going round the old mill ... on the left-hand side .
FOLLOWER:   li-- going round the left-hand side of the old mill ?
GIVER:   uh-huh of the mill , right ?
FOLLOWER:   so , i'm going between the picket fence and the mill ?
GIVER:   right , if the you start right you go down straight down under the picket fence .
FOLLOWER:   under the picket fence right .
GIVER:   go right round the picket fence , right ?
FOLLOWER:   right .
GIVER:   got to do a curve come straight up .
FOLLOWER:   right , i'll have you know like i'll have to ... so i'm going between the picket fence and the mill ... right ?
GIVER:   no , are you not going right under the picket fence ?
FOLLOWER:   yes , but you see the mill ... kind of overlaps my picket fence .
GIVER:   well , you'll have to go right round it on the left-hand side .
FOLLOWER:   uh-huh .
GIVER:   right ?
FOLLOWER:   so i'm going rou-- ... round the left-hand side of the mill ?
GIVER:   of the old mill uh-huh , and get to the top of the roof , right ?
FOLLOWER:   right .
GIVER:   you're you're at the roof right so go up and there's about ... mm , see the fenced meadow ?
FOLLOWER:   uh-huh .
GIVER:   on the ... on the right-hand side at the bottom ?
FOLLOWER:   mmhmm .
GIVER:   right , see above that ... bi-- ... an inch and a half right about two inches right , mark that ... mark a spot right above th-- about two inches above the fenced meadow on the ... very left of that picture ... go up about two inches right and mark a spot .
FOLLOWER:   on the left of the fenced meadow ?
GIVER:   uh-huh on left of that picture right of the fenced meadow , come about two inches , right ?
FOLLOWER:   oh ... the from the bottom of the picture ?
GIVER:   uh-huh uh-huh .
FOLLOWER:   come up about two inches .
GIVER:   where the fence is right on the left-hand s-- .
FOLLOWER:   right i'm , so i'm below a forest ?
GIVER:   so , uh-huh , and see where the o-- bi-- that ... but see where the old mill is ?
FOLLOWER:   mmhmm .
GIVER:   see you come up draw a line between that and that where that fenced meadow where you've just ... made a mark ... right draw a straight line .
FOLLOWER:   right , so i should be just a ... ve-- just below the forest as well ?
GIVER:   yeah .
FOLLOWER:   oh right i see .
GIVER:   well , i don't have a forest so ehm , i presume it must be , so you must go round that , right , see where you are then ?
FOLLOWER:   uh-huh .
GIVER:   draw a straight line going up , right , and curve round ... the abandoned cottage right above it .
FOLLOWER:   i ha-- , i have to curve round the forest .
GIVER:   right so , and curve right up round above the , to to your .
FOLLOWER:   so i'm going round the right-hand side of the forest which you haven't got ?
GIVER:   mmhmm you will be yeah .
FOLLOWER:   right .
GIVER:   go round the right side , and then right round t-- to to your left curve round to your left ... and you're going up above the abandoned cottage .
FOLLOWER:   right , so i'm going to the left-hand side of the abandoned cottage ?
GIVER:   no , go right , right , see where the forest is right ?
FOLLOWER:   uh-huh .
GIVER:   you're go-- you're curving right up ... and keep curving right round the side of the right-hand side sorry of the abandoned cottage so you're going round in a circle .
FOLLOWER:   right , i'm curving round it ?
GIVER:   uh-huh .
FOLLOWER:   right .
GIVER:   th-- the right-hand side ... go down right , see where they've they've got the chimney right ?
FOLLOWER:   chimney no .
GIVER:   right see where that's ... s-- no .
FOLLOWER:   i don't have a chimney .
GIVER:   see where the chimney is on the abandoned cottage ?
FOLLOWER:   oh yes .
GIVER:   right .
FOLLOWER:   right .
GIVER:   right ... have you sto-- okay , stop about there , okay ?
FOLLOWER:   mmhmm .
GIVER:   have you got a fenced meadow on your le-- and about halfway up as well ?
FOLLOWER:   no .
GIVER:   you don't have a fenced meadow ... ... er ?
FOLLOWER:   where's that ?
GIVER:   it's int-- half it's about halfway up the page and it's on the right the left-hand side of the page .
FOLLOWER:   right .
GIVER:   halfway up .
FOLLOWER:   i'm ... kind of in line with the a-- ... abandoned cottage ?
GIVER:   well , about a wee bit ... ... eh ... an angle down towards your left a wee bit ... i-- ... it's eh .
FOLLOWER:   right .
GIVER:   right , go up , see where the chimney is right , sort of make about a forty-five ... degree angle ... towards ... for about ... about an inch , okay , an inch , did it go down ... d-- , make an ang-- an angle to the bottom of that picture ... right going to your left , right , so you're about an inch away from the abandoned cottage ... if you what i mean ... you're curving right round .
FOLLOWER:   i've curved round the abandoned cottage .
GIVER:   right ... ... so , sort of right right where you've stopped right ?
FOLLOWER:   uh-huh .
GIVER:   at that curve it should be about an inch away from the abandoned cottage right ?
FOLLOWER:   i'm not that far away , i never knew .
GIVER:   right , well can you make it ... make that curve .
FOLLOWER:   but e-- i oh sorry i've still avoi-- i've still avoided the abandoned cott-- .
GIVER:   and then where you've stopped the curve sort of make a wide circle , eh ... have you got something ... between the a-- ... beside the abandoned cottage ?
FOLLOWER:   no , well , i've got i've just got a monument to the right .
GIVER:   to the right , mm ... ah so have i , i know where you are , so , do you know west lake is at the top ?
FOLLOWER:   uh-huh .
GIVER:   have you got a trig point , no you don't do you ?
FOLLOWER:   no .
GIVER:   have you got anything between west lake and abandoned cottage ?
FOLLOWER:   no .
GIVER:   nothing at all ?
FOLLOWER:   no , have you ?
GIVER:   uh-huh .
FOLLOWER:   what ?
GIVER:   i've got a me-- a ... fenced meadow ... but in the dire-- .
FOLLOWER:   right , so i have to avoid that ?
GIVER:   mmhmm .
FOLLOWER:   so , am i going round the west lake ?
GIVER:   so , say the fenc-- say the fenced meadow's about halfway up , right , see where the abandoned cottage is ?
FOLLOWER:   uh-huh .
GIVER:   just down a wee bit ... right from that ... on the left , so you ... make sure you avoid that right round the very left-hand side the page ... sort of mark a bit ... so you avoid that .
FOLLOWER:   it's ... it's ... down a bit from the abandoned cottage ?
GIVER:   abandoned cottage about a .
FOLLOWER:   on the left ?
GIVER:   a centimetre uh-huh .
FOLLOWER:   right , i-- ... it's f-- the very left of the page ?
GIVER:   uh-huh the very left ... uh-huh .
FOLLOWER:   right .
GIVER:   right , see right where are you now at the bottom of the abandoned cottage ?
FOLLOWER:   mmhmm .
GIVER:   about an inch away ?
FOLLOWER:   no , the top of the abandoned cottage .
GIVER:   did you make a curve ?
FOLLOWER:   no , i've just come i've curved round the top of the abandoned cottage .
GIVER:   right .
FOLLOWER:   that's all i've done .
GIVER:   i-- ... mark about an inch away from the abandoned cottage right and to your left mark about an inch away from that , right , a wee dot there .
FOLLOWER:   eh no .
GIVER:   no can you mark a dot there .
FOLLOWER:   where ?
GIVER:   about an inch away from the abandoned cottage on the left-hand side ... make it make it about an inch right .
FOLLOWER:   i'm not right .
GIVER:   and see where the roo-- you've ... the top of the roof is ?
FOLLOWER:   uh-huh .
GIVER:   your your curve ... make a ... make a cu-- ... a line from there to there .
FOLLOWER:   right .
GIVER:   okay ?
FOLLOWER:   right i've done that .
GIVER:   right , see where the west lake is ?
FOLLOWER:   uh-huh .
GIVER:   brrrr see where ehm ... the very bottom curve of it is ?
FOLLOWER:   uh-huh .
GIVER:   can you ... make it like , see where you are now you're about an inch away from the abandoned cottage right , can you make a sort of ... a wide circle ... sort of a half circle ... ... towards ... the ... ehm ... bottom ... of that ... point ... that curve ... of west lake .
FOLLOWER:   mmhmm .
GIVER:   right see where the "e" is in west lake ?
FOLLOWER:   mmhmm .
GIVER:   in lake , eh ... go r-- ... it's right underneath there , you know i'm talking about that point , where it starts to curve like it's to there ... ... eh you need a kind of wide ci-- a h-- half circle .
FOLLOWER:   yes , a w-- ?
GIVER:   eh but you're about ... ... an inch and a half away from the edge of the page .
FOLLOWER:   what am i avoiding , see this ... eh what is it ... the thing you told me to mark ?
GIVER:   it's a fenced meadow , you're going above that .
FOLLOWER:   i'm going above that right .
GIVER:   you're going above that .
FOLLOWER:   so i'm doing a cir-- ?
GIVER:   and you're about two inches away from the page , about a minute .
FOLLOWER:   so see on-- see , once i've done a circle up to where the ?
GIVER:   the west lake is .
FOLLOWER:   uh-huh , where do i go after that , because i just ... i don't understand .
GIVER:   mmhmm ... ... follow the curve of the west lake .
FOLLOWER:   what way ?
GIVER:   right ... ... to oh aye to the ehm ... right , okay ?
FOLLOWER:   so i'm ... what ... am i avoi-- ... you know how i'm curving round what am i avoiding ?
GIVER:   nothing , there's nothing there either .
FOLLOWER:   so why am i curving ?
GIVER:   well , that's what it is that's where the route is .
FOLLOWER:   right .
GIVER:   okay ?
FOLLOWER:   right i've done that .
GIVER:   ehm , so you've curv-- and like you follow the curve ... of west lake , right , see where that ... see where i told you to go to stop at ?
FOLLOWER:   you know , so i'm like i'm ... really kind of doubling back on myself a bit ?
GIVER:   uh-huh , you've got you're following to the to the right-hand side you're going right round the right-hand side ... ... see right ... ... see when you come to the ... right see right imagine you're at th-- ... the that point okay underneath the "e" .
FOLLOWER:   right , i've done .
GIVER:   right ?
FOLLOWER:   yes .
GIVER:   at west lake ... right ... we're at that corner ... ... go round right ... round the circle .
FOLLOWER:   to the right ?
GIVER:   then , uh-huh to the right , then up keep going up .
FOLLOWER:   how far ?
GIVER:   'til you stop .
FOLLOWER:   am i ... just sort of circling round the west lake ?
GIVER:   uh-huh , 'til you stop , where it starts you know where it starts ... eh sort of going sharply to the left ... in a straight line ?
FOLLOWER:   uh-huh .
GIVER:   stop there .
FOLLOWER:   have you got ... farm land above there as well ?
GIVER:   at that ... point , uh-huh ... mmhmm ... ... so y-- .
FOLLOWER:   about an inch below the farm land right ?
GIVER:   uh-huh .
FOLLOWER:   right i've done that .
GIVER:   right , see beside ehm ... ... see where you've stopped then ... right do you know where that sharp bit is ... i'm talking about ?
FOLLOWER:   just ... ... it curves round and then it goes up vertically ... and then you've ... i-- .
GIVER:   follow that bit up vertically right 'til it stops going vertically that's what i mean right .
FOLLOWER:   uh-huh i've done that ... ... right .
GIVER:   right , see where you've stopped ?
FOLLOWER:   mmhmm .
GIVER:   and how you can see a kind of a straight line it's almost a straight line ?
FOLLOWER:   ehm .
GIVER:   to your left in the west lake you know it goes folli-- it's ... sort of goes up vertically and it goes straight to your left ... well it goes up a bit ?
FOLLOWER:   it goes up vertically then it goes to the left ?
GIVER:   uh-huh .
FOLLOWER:   mmhmm .
GIVER:   well , just where it stops going vertically right ?
FOLLOWER:   right .
GIVER:   can you see the monument ?
FOLLOWER:   i don't have a monument , oh no ... i have a mo-- , uh-huh .
GIVER:   you do have a monument it's on the it's on the right-hand side it's to the right-hand side of the page about halfway up .
FOLLOWER:   away down , uh-huh .
GIVER:   right , see where you've stopped , draw a straight line in that ... in that ... in that angle , see where that that vertical see that ehm ?
FOLLOWER:   uh-huh .
GIVER:   that line ... on the west lake ... goes sh-- sharply up ?
FOLLOWER:   mmhmm .
GIVER:   dra-- ... draw eh that's it's that angle i'm talking about draw a straight line to the monument from there .
FOLLOWER:   right down to the monument eh ?
GIVER:   mmhmm , on that angle .
FOLLOWER:   and eh , have you got a golf course ?
GIVER:   no , i take it you're going round the golf course , just draw a straight line .
FOLLOWER:   no , the golf course is like nearer the east lake ... below the east lake so .
GIVER:   ah so it is .
FOLLOWER:   so i would be going to the left-hand side of the golf course .
GIVER:   right , so where see the monument is , you're going underneath the monument and up , okay , you're curving round the monument .
FOLLOWER:   i'm com-- i'm doing like a ... i'm ... drawing a straight line down to the monument and curving r-- ?
GIVER:   and go round underneath it .
FOLLOWER:   round the bottom of it ?
GIVER:   and curve round the bottom of it uh-huh .
FOLLOWER:   i mean and like you've not got any obstacles here have you ... below ?
GIVER:   no .
FOLLOWER:   between the west lake and the monument ?
GIVER:   the west lake and the monument , i've got a p-- trig point .
FOLLOWER:   where's that so i have ... i have to avoid it ?
GIVER:   that's that's ... it's abou-- it's okay if you've gone right up ... towards that ... if you've gone right up .
FOLLOWER:   but where is it anyway ?
GIVER:   where the vertical bit is .
FOLLOWER:   where is it ?
GIVER:   see where the west lake is with the writing west lake ?
FOLLOWER:   uh-huh .
GIVER:   it's just ... about ... two inches away from that beside beside west lake .
FOLLOWER:   okay , right , so if i draw down ?
GIVER:   you should have curved over it if you had followed that curve west lake .
FOLLOWER:   i will have right uh-huh .
GIVER:   you will right , and then you go straight ... it's a ... total straight line .
FOLLOWER:   a straight line .
GIVER:   going sloping downwards towards the monument .
FOLLOWER:   right , i've ... and then curve round the monument ?
GIVER:   round the monument .
FOLLOWER:   right .
GIVER:   just right round that .
FOLLOWER:   i've done that .
GIVER:   eh ... sort of right , are you at the of top the monument see the guy's head ?
FOLLOWER:   yes that's where i am .
GIVER:   right , stop about there okay ... curved above it , ehm ... ... you know the east lake is ?
FOLLOWER:   uh-huh .
GIVER:   just go vertically up there .
FOLLOWER:   right , how far ?
GIVER:   fact , i'll tell you what would be even better , see the the guy's head on the monument the guy's hand sorry ?
FOLLOWER:   uh-huh .
GIVER:   where it's pointing ... right ?
FOLLOWER:   mmhmm .
GIVER:   so , go straight ... draw the line to ... ... you know where your fa-- , see that curve that you're drawing round the monument ?
FOLLOWER:   mmhmm .
GIVER:   stop above ... his hand , right ?
FOLLOWER:   ah i went a bit further 'cause i thought you said .
GIVER:   uh-huh , right , and just c-- and go from there go straight up ... towards the east lake ... so you should be directly under the the "e" in lake .
FOLLOWER:   no , my monument's more to ... the right of the page than that the east lake's fa-- .
GIVER:   uh-huh , see the "e" in the word lake ?
FOLLOWER:   oh the word the "e" in the word la-- .
GIVER:   the word "e" ?
FOLLOWER:   right .
GIVER:   in the lake ... ... right , see directly u-- underneath that ... on the on the coast line of that ... if you know what i mean the ... edge of it ?
FOLLOWER:   mmhmm .
GIVER:   make a dot there right .
FOLLOWER:   direc-- , directly , underneath the "e" ?
GIVER:   underneath the "e" , underneath the "e" , make a dot right beside the lake , and from the monument ... the guy's hand ... on the monument draw a line from that , okay , to the east lake ... and then just follow the curve of the east lake .
FOLLOWER:   right .
GIVER:   so you follow the curve of the east lake ... to the left , sorry i've thought it was to the left .
FOLLOWER:   right , right .
GIVER:   right , so ... eh , you know the bottom ... left of the east lake ?
FOLLOWER:   uh-huh .
GIVER:   about in a centimetre away from that ... keep drawing a line and then finish it , okay ?
FOLLOWER:   the botto-- wha-- , say that again .
GIVER:   see the "e" in the east ?
FOLLOWER:   yes .
GIVER:   the letter ... the word east , underneath that ... draw a line about an inch away from that okay keep following the coast line .
FOLLOWER:   right .
GIVER:   but don't don't go up don't go up vertically .
FOLLOWER:   don't go up .
GIVER:   you kn-- h-- just go straight along that ... except carry the line on .
FOLLOWER:   uh-huh , how far ?
GIVER:   for about another centimetre , and just draw a cross .
FOLLOWER:   a centimetre from the "e" ?
GIVER:   mmhmm .
FOLLOWER:   is that all ?
GIVER:   mmhmm .
FOLLOWER:   right .
GIVER:   y-- but see where the east lake is see that that kind of line ... you followed ?
FOLLOWER:   uh-huh .
GIVER:   s-- ... of the lake ?
FOLLOWER:   uh-huh .
GIVER:   d-- you haven't gone up have you , 'cause the line goes straight up you know how it goes vertically up .
FOLLOWER:   what with the , no i haven't done that .
GIVER:   well , that's okay , that'll be it finished .